i would just like to point out that in 2022, there is literally no technical justification for asymmetric internet connectivity: docsis 3.1 and later can support multi-gigabit symmetric connections, as can PON networks.

no, DSL does not count as justification in 2022.

@ariadne the justification is this huge sack of cash from a few megacorporations

@ariadne datacenters and artificial asymmetric connections are landlording and digital enclosure :)

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@thufie @ariadne I hate it, I'd totally use my old laptop as a server if I had enough uplink bandwidth

paying for gigabit downlink, getting ≈330 megabits and like 10 megabits uplink

@frostwolf @thufie @ariadne weirdly, even then I barely had any issues with online gaming. Connection was slow but steady.

@frostwolf @thufie @ariadne note that the physical line always supported 300 megabits, just the internet plan didn't allow for more than 25/1 mbits

@frostwolf @thufie @ariadne now we have a 1000/??? plan, upgrading from the 250/25 we had between February and June

@LunaDragofelis @thufie @ariadne Yeah, games don't need bandwidth, just stability and liw latency! :3

We have... exactly none of those.

@frostwolf @thufie @ariadne I'm using wifi exclusively at home, though the apartment is small so one is never far away from the router. My phone even picks up wifi signal on the street outside, but that's rather annoying because out there it's too weak for any connection and I have to manually disable wifi on my phone when in a 50 meter range outdoors

@LunaDragofelis @thufie @ariadne We have no provided network hardware in our pathetic excuse for a house/room at all. Wifi is provided via a router in some other building somewhere. So we have our laptop connecting to the provided wifi as a client, NATting to our router, which provides wired/wifi to all our stuff.

@LunaDragofelis @thufie @ariadne We're expected to simply connect everything to the provided wifi and not have a LAN at all.

@frostwolf @LunaDragofelis @thufie @ariadne it is an alternative to cable or DSL and was also competitor to become 4G.

It is a wireless standard.

Fuerteventura, an island of the Canary Islands, has some towns with fewer than 500 inhabitants with it, at least 3-4 years ago.

It is cheaper for companies than wiring and giving maintenance to physical infrastructure.
@frostwolf @LunaDragofelis @thufie @ariadne you need a router supporting it first if I remember correctly.

There is usually a main station in the town or place and people use specific modems or routers in order to be able to connect to it.

It is pretty similar to 4G modems or routers but I have never seen one IRL.

@elr @thufie @ariadne @frostwolf as far as I know, he lives in a shared space which provides residents with wifi only.

@LunaDragofelis @elr @thufie @ariadne But also the airbnb apartnent we stayed in for a few days after the escape ALSO had building-provided wifi, which makes it seem like it's normal here...

ranting about our network connection 

@LunaDragofelis @thufie @ariadne Wireless-only is another form of disempowernent. We had to do freaking shenanigans to get our own LAN – we have an old laptop as an uplink, plugged into our router's WAN port – and that's something most don't have the knowledge OR the hardware for!!

And it's still really unstable.

@LunaDragofelis @thufie @ariadne I live in ADSL 2+ connection yet.

My issue is mainly that the only provider which have FTTH here is Vodafone and offers a router without the possibility to get the keys or put it in bridge mode (technicians are clueless and is not a joke, they only know the basic installation) and puts CGNAT.
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